Comments on: Down and Out in Bali: U.N. Climate Change Negotiations So Far Lack Urgency http://carma.org/blog/down-and-out-in-bali-un-climate-change-negotiations-so-far-lack-urgency/ What goes around comes around Thu, 20 Nov 2008 13:03:54 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.5 By: KML http://carma.org/blog/down-and-out-in-bali-un-climate-change-negotiations-so-far-lack-urgency/#comment-220 KML Sat, 05 Jan 2008 17:52:08 +0000 http://carma.org/blog/down-and-out-in-bali-un-climate-change-negotiations-so-far-lack-urgency/#comment-220 I would say the major obstable comes from the US, instead of the developing countries like China and India. If no actions from the US, as you suggested, no urgency, we may have a longer way to go than we expected, which means, more negative effects will impose even greater barriers to the fight against the climate change. Regards KML http://energydictionary.blogspot.com I would say the major obstable comes from the US, instead of the developing countries like China and India.

If no actions from the US, as you suggested, no urgency, we may have a longer way to go than we expected, which means, more negative effects will impose even greater barriers to the fight against the climate change.

Regards

KML
http://energydictionary.blogspot.com

]]> By: Justin Shaw http://carma.org/blog/down-and-out-in-bali-un-climate-change-negotiations-so-far-lack-urgency/#comment-146 Justin Shaw Fri, 14 Dec 2007 18:17:59 +0000 http://carma.org/blog/down-and-out-in-bali-un-climate-change-negotiations-so-far-lack-urgency/#comment-146 I am a planner in NY State, and it is amazing how resistant people are to change, such as not wanting wind energy because of aeshetics...apparently ignoring the telephone poles and polluting coal plants...and the fact that only 10% of energy from coal gets to their houses....apparently, people would rather have a view, while it is not yet too polluted to see any scenery...every day, people here drive bigger and bigger SUVS, I thought attitudes would be different here than in the South...I use 100% wind and solar energy now...which should actually be less expensive than coal/oil...IF it were subsidized to the same extent...as coal/oil....and if more people demand it...if your state does not yet have a Renewable Portfolio Standards mandate, demand it!!!!Bush just vetoed the energy bill because it would reduce taxpayer subsidies for coal/oil..this is just extremely evil, ignorant, blatantly in denial, and an assault on human rights...."compassionate conservatives" or the GOP cannot spin this.....why don't Dems say by keeping us dependent on foreign oil, the GOP is helping the enemy...and hurting our country's future???...that is not a lie, it is a fact!!!!! If wind/solar/geothermal/hydro were subsidized like coal/oil, they would be our major source of energy....if U.S. cannot even compromise in Bali because of Bush policies, it will be too late to stop some of the effects of climate change that we are already seeing and it is very sad....when I look around and talk to regular folks, some people, mostly older, still can have the ability to doubt it is occurring...or argue about man's role....and do not even care about their carbon footprint....it can make one very apathetic and depressed to see humans not even care about the rest of the human race.... I am a planner in NY State, and it is amazing how resistant people are to change, such as not wanting wind energy because of aeshetics…apparently ignoring the telephone poles and polluting coal plants…and the fact that only 10% of energy from coal gets to their houses….apparently, people would rather have a view, while it is not yet too polluted to see any scenery…every day, people here drive bigger and bigger SUVS, I thought attitudes would be different here than in the South…I use 100% wind and solar energy now…which should actually be less expensive than coal/oil…IF it were subsidized to the same extent…as coal/oil….and if more people demand it…if your state does not yet have a Renewable Portfolio Standards mandate, demand it!!!!Bush just vetoed the energy bill because it would reduce taxpayer subsidies for coal/oil..this is just extremely evil, ignorant, blatantly in denial, and an assault on human rights….”compassionate conservatives” or the GOP cannot spin this…..why don’t Dems say by keeping us dependent on foreign oil, the GOP is helping the enemy…and hurting our country’s future???…that is not a lie, it is a fact!!!!!

If wind/solar/geothermal/hydro were subsidized like coal/oil, they would be our major source of energy….if U.S. cannot even compromise in Bali because of Bush policies, it will be too late to stop some of the effects of climate change that we are already seeing and it is very sad….when I look around and talk to regular folks, some people, mostly older, still can have the ability to doubt it is occurring…or argue about man’s role….and do not even care about their carbon footprint….it can make one very apathetic and depressed to see humans not even care about the rest of the human race….

]]> By: Laura Cooley http://carma.org/blog/down-and-out-in-bali-un-climate-change-negotiations-so-far-lack-urgency/#comment-132 Laura Cooley Wed, 12 Dec 2007 00:13:04 +0000 http://carma.org/blog/down-and-out-in-bali-un-climate-change-negotiations-so-far-lack-urgency/#comment-132 I enjoyed reading this great though sobering message from Bali. What this tells me is that the Global North, and the U.S. especially, has to start being far more serious about some of the commitments it has already signed onto, if countries in the developing world are ever to enter a mutual pact for planetary survival. The UN Millenium Development Goals, agreed to by all countries in the world, call for (among other things) addressing the least developed countries' special needs, such as: tariff- and quota-free access for their exports; debt relief for heavily indebted poor countries; cancellation of official bilateral debt; and more generous official development assistance for poor countries. Developed countries need to start delivering better on these commitments and other existing commitments, and include curbing carbon emissions as part of the development bargain. As one who lived in Indonesia for a few years, I know that the typical greeting you say to someone is not "How are you?" but "Mau ke mana?" meaning "Where are you going?" Every participant in Bali should ask him or herself where are we going: where are we headed when the evidence of looming disaster is there but we act out of denial. To read the news from here in Seattle, one gets the impression that many people in Bali are content to agree on a two-year period in the not so distant future only to then agree again on some (again) watered down targets. Now that would be a bummer if we let that happen. Wake up. Mau ke mana? I enjoyed reading this great though sobering message from Bali. What this tells me is that the Global North, and the U.S. especially, has to start being far more serious about some of the commitments it has already signed onto, if countries in the developing world are ever to enter a mutual pact for planetary survival.
The UN Millenium Development Goals, agreed to by all countries in the world, call for (among other things) addressing the least developed countries’ special needs, such as: tariff- and quota-free access for their exports; debt relief for heavily indebted poor countries; cancellation of official bilateral debt; and more generous official development assistance for poor countries. Developed countries need to start delivering better on these commitments and other existing commitments, and include curbing carbon emissions as part of the development bargain.
As one who lived in Indonesia for a few years, I know that the typical greeting you say to someone is not “How are you?” but “Mau ke mana?” meaning “Where are you going?” Every participant in Bali should ask him or herself where are we going: where are we headed when the evidence of looming disaster is there but we act out of denial.
To read the news from here in Seattle, one gets the impression that many people in Bali are content to agree on a two-year period in the not so distant future only to then agree again on some (again) watered down targets. Now that would be a bummer if we let that happen. Wake up. Mau ke mana?

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